Theosophobia and christophobia

[Adyarman]

Janeth advised me to open a discussion of my own where Christianity can be discussed. I thought it more appropriate to discuss each other's negative image, as that might be most fruitful.
Only a few years ago I gave courses in theosophy, then I turned around and now I explain why theosophy is wrong. That is what I mean with 'theosophobia'. It happens often that converts like to criticize convictions of the past and while I think: "from how deep has God lifted me", theosophists probably think: "how deep can human fall" on contemplating my case. Of course my contributions to this forum are provocative, although I try to comment on ideas and concepts and not on people holding them. I admit that I'm not very polite or respectful about most ideas, but I always try to be respectful to the person whom I conceive to entertain incorrect views. Every human being has a right to be stupid, to fail, to sin and still be treated in a cordial way. And he has a right to be shown where and how his concepts go wrong, if he likes to learn.
I got a few remarks back, like Pablo Sender explaining how Christianity is 'especially' killing infidels. Such reactions are natural and don't bother me. I think Pablo is a gentle person. On the other hand, Christophobia is part of theosophy. It has deeper roots than Pablo's take, where he explains: "This is one of the reasons why Blavatsky was so against the church, although she was never against the figure of Jesus and his teachings." I believe she was against the figure of Jesus and also against his teachings. At the root of this conflict lie contradictory interpretations of the universe and the destiny of man. HPB depicts Gnostics as 'esoteric Christianity', while Christians call it 'heresy'. Some other day I intend to go deeper into this conflict.
The title of this discussion wall is negative. I intent to give negative comments on theosophy and counter negative comments on Christianity. Theosophists are invited to 'talk back'. Perhaps, out of all this negativity something good may arise, like a deeper understanding.

[Adyarman]

Thank you for your sympathetic comments on Christianity. You seem to think that Jesus is dead, so you're not a Christian. I have no intention to change language, so I leave the word 'theosophy' as the symbol for 'the teachings kept alive by the Theosophical Society' intact. The word 'Christian' is according to the bible first used a few years after the apostles started their evangelical work. The teachings of Christianity that set it apart from Judaïsm are partly by Jesus and partly by Paul and other apostles. However the bible as a whole teaches only one 'true religion', which is the religion founded by Seth and Enos (gen 4:26).
The theory of Theosphy is in fact all encompassing, very deep, very logical and it explains near to everything. If it were true, it would indeed overrule every other religious belief system (even if one doesn't press the 'eject button' and launches the whole thing into itellectual outer space). But alas, I think it isn't

[Adyarman]

no beings can do greater things than their Ceator.

[Adyarman]

In the Bible God cals Himself: I am who I am. But beings are named by their father and mother and they are moved around by fate and provision. I love myself and I strive to love God as myself and all the people who love God as much as I do. I don't believe in Karma, in this dicussion wall I intend to explain why, some other time.

[Adyarman]

The name Jehovah means "I am who I am". There are several jokes in the bible, but one needs to reed carefully to notice them.

[Adyarman]

Not many jokers in the universe, I'm afraid. If you want jokes, don't read the bible or theosophical communities.

[christinaleestemaker]

Do you know that JEHOVA"S have a total different bible.

[Adyarman]

Cristina
Jehovah's Witnesses have made a bible translation of their own, that suits their particular theology better. I'm not familiar with this theology, so I can't say much about it. My impression is that they don't believe that Jesus is the Lord, also they think God the Father is Jehovah. Of course it is God the Son who is Jehovah.

[Jeff Zolkes]

hmmm... Jesus Krishna would be an interesting character... what do you think? =)

[Jackie Clayton]

You don't believe in Karma, Adyarman?

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
Galatians 6:6-8 (in Context) Galatians 6 (Whole Chapter)

[Adyarman]

That's the way God punishes sinners, just, to the point and with a lesson hidden in the punishment. But karma is something different. I tried to explain it here before as follows:
A Christian concept of reïncarnation would be without karma. Karma comes in, when reïncarnation functions in an evolutionary concept. No evolution = no karma. It doesn't realy mean punnishment of the 'tit for tat' type. That is redemption, which can only take place if there is a divine judge. Without divine judge there are no rights and wrongs. Just choises and consequences. Karma concerns with the amount of trouble one needs to go through on the quest for higher qualities. If one makes choises that carry unhelpfull consequences, this amount of trouble increases.

I understand now that theosophists need some more explantion on karma and why it is a necessary part of their evolutionary scheme. After I've done going into why theosophy requires the universe to be an autonomous process and why it cannot cope with a heteronomous process, I intent to go deeper into that one.

[Arthur E Gregory]

Adyar man!

When you wrote above in your introduction:

I intent to give negative comments on theosophy and counter negative comments on Christianity. Theosophists are invited to 'talk back'. Perhaps, out of all this negativity something good may arise, like a deeper understanding.

I would actually suggest that it would be more productive if we begin on a positive note.. Why encourage negative comments on Theosophy or Christainity?

It seems it will encourage a downward spiral of negativity that will lead where?

So my recommendation would be to suggest an upward postive direction:

(1) What good things can we say about Christianity?

(2) What have been some of it's great accomplishments?

(3) Who were some of the great exemplars of Christianity?

So starting a positive direction that leads to better relations and understandings with one another..

I look back at some of my ancesters who were United Brethren from central Europe and what they sacrificed to leave their homes in the then Holy Roman Empire because of the draft there and flee to the American colonies especially around Salem, North Carolina ..

Brethren are pacifists to this day and still have a peace testimony..

John Amos Comenius was a Bishop of the Brethren and developed a philosophy called Panosophia..

Universal Wisdom.. Not many people know about this but universal education and world peace were advocated by Comenius long ago..

We are all citizens of one world, we are all of one blood. To hate a man because he was born in another country, because he speaks a different language, or because he takes a different view on this subject or that, is a great folly. Desist, I implore you, for we are all equally human.... Let us have but one end in view, the welfare of humanity; and let us put aside all selfishness in considerations of language, nationality, or religion.

Comenius anticipated the most progressive movements today.

[Jack Donaldson]

Theosophy is not a religion. When Christianity compares against Theosophy, I can only see attempt made to assert the latter is a religion, or an attempt is being made to proselytize Christian dogma. The problem is science and dogmatic religious views create cognitive dissonance. If an Avatara has stopped both the Moon and the Sun, and under His dispensation are my sins washed away with His Blood, I see how shame, guilt, are mitigated for regret instead. The latter is what I would carry so as to cease in much error. Regret reminds me to always strive toward right thinking, right action, and imagining with ever increasing developement of Higher Mental abilities. Now, this questions becomes the focus; when the physical human body is deceased what becomes of the human? Is it only the one life a human receives? Is the physical body relavent to another plane? How many quarks make an atom? how many quarks are there? why are gluons a larger diagram on a schematic? if a physical body we are so familiar with can be said to possess more emptiness than solidity, and we can be described as holograms, the subsequent process of thought is a hologram always represents a source, or more real departure point from which it is only a reflection. If force is always connected to substance, and it appears many varied and numerous forms of force exist, then fields of force can be asserted as basis to the hologram, and fields of force can be easily seen now as layered, and these layers may even be said to be infinite, as it is impossible to see an end in any direction. Chistos is possibly a good reminder to keep within mind/soul/spirit and thus remain within your limitations. Although it doesn't seem this is being done when we believe in things we don't understand. Some guy is going to ask me if I believe that Christ died and then was resurrected, and I wonder how I could possibly know the answer to this. Could it be from a man who told the answer to another man, and this man told seven others, and these seven others, each told seven others? and so on, and so forth, etcetera, etcetera. How could I believe other than testing this belief? what are the parameters involved toward testing this belief? do I simply believe because it suits me to do so? When events happen very fast, I believe intuitively and act quickly. These abilities I possess.