The New World Order

[Lenny]

Is there anyone in the Theosophical Community who knows about this? If so what are your thoughts on it? Do you accept it to be true? I find that theosophic knowledge and theosophists themselves are the greatest threat against this order and would've thought many here would know about it but after browsing through this site I don't think there is anyone who does.

If your interested in finding out about this because you don't know anything about it there is a documentary that you can find online called Wake Up Call: A New World Order Documentary.

[Lenny]

Hi Dan thanks for the reply,
Also, I want to say thanks to everyone who took the time to reply to this. I really appreciate it and I'll try to respond to each message when I can. I'm really glad that I finally found a place where I can share my thoughts and be able to communicate with others about this and not be laughed at or dismissed right away without being heard first.

I have made many connections with the Illuminati and Theosophy. My main conclusion is that theosophy is all that is good where as the Illuminati use their occult knowledge, money, and power for evil. Just as some of the Atlantean's practiced black magic, while as the wiser knew better, there are those today that use it and it is in my opinion that those who have true knowledge of these ancient secrets, and use it, are the ones who've been in charge of everything all along. Some of my reasons I'll mention.

I at first upon finding this wondered if maybe the New World Order was just their way of establishing lasting peace just as you have asked. After all a unified global government doesn't sound so bad, in theory...
But the ways in which they have carried out their agenda is what convinces me that they are evil. I never believed in "True Evil" until this.

Here's a fact: the same banks that funded the U.S. in WW2 were the same banks that funded hitler. Why would they do this? It's easy. They don't care about us at all. Just about money and power and all they have to do is tell lies big enough and long enough until the vast majority believes them and then there'll be very few to question them. You can do this with money and power, it's called propaganda and its purpose is always for more power, power from controlling us with this technique. As Buddha taught, there is no ending to the craving of physical and temporary satisfactions if one embraces that side of their nature. And as quoted from the Oracle from the matrix, "What do all men with power want... more power."

So ask yourself why not? If they have the money and power and have had it for as long as they have (families such as: the Rockefellers Rothschild, etc.) and then having done the despicable things they've done why not aim for the goal of global domination? It has been a sought after thing for as long as man can remember, but we have been tricked to believing this dream has gone away from the minds of men. It is the only possible conclusion I can come to. There are many other ways in which they have controlled us which I'm sure since you've done some of your own research that you know of. Basically, almost every way.

I believe the world needs to get out from under their security blanket and realize the ones we've believed to be protecting us are trying to conquer and own us. They will never stop trying. But the power ultimately lies in the hands of the people and our numbers are what they fear.

Einstein believed that in order for ultimate survival there has to be a balance between good and evil. But Einstein didn't know theosophy. To be loving and peaceful creatures is possible if we try and isn't that at the heart of the teachings of theosophy? Most people would not believe this. And why should they? People have been striving for peace for thousands of years and most especially within the last few centuries, but war, famine, hunger and disease still affect millions and those without those ailments are still miserable. But as I believe we are held back from this future because of how we are being controlled, i feel this with the most utmost certainty and that is the most I can give anyone on this subject with hopes that they go further and further to know the truth.

Hope to hear from you all soon.

Lenny

[Lenny]

Hey Dan,
Thanks again for the reply. I agree with you on basically every point, but I believe that evil is a lot closer to achieving its goal than good is and if we let it it will be a very long time before any good is allowed to prosper again. H.P.B. said if the masses didn't start getting their stuff straight then karma would one day inflict a much more permanent punishment on humanity. Karma would have to punish the whole to attain balance within a reasonable time. The sins of man have been stacking up leading us to this I think. Does it make sense that the balance of good and evil could be tipped one way? If for good then for evil too. And evil has been making much progress through secrecy and lying.
The punishment H.P.B. warned against I see as the New World Order, because we have acted in their name without knowing it and have been doing their bidding all along. So it would definitely be folly and would only add to their chances of success to ignore the fact that evil could prevail on a such a large scale.

Our lack of unity is their greatest strength and because of it they are able to carry out their plans. It's called Divide and Conquer. Think about it. How is theosophy so unheard of? There are so many gaps in biology and darwinian evolution that theosophy explains with great power yet today when a scientists tries to bring up other possible explanations on evolution than just the standard one they are ridiculed and laughed at.

Breaking onto a new note now, it's important to realize that every single dollar our government is built upon is borrowed from the central banks at interest. How can we pay off that debt? Borrow more money which only leads to more debt (this is all in the video, but it's worth sharing here I think) so really our government doesn't own anything and if the government doesn't then the people don't. In the video they explain how great depressions are inevitable due to this structure and then encouraged at the time when they see fit. If a global government is established under their rule they could cause another depression on an even larger scale. To get out of that you'd need another World War. That seems like a pretty good way to rid the planet of %80 of its population. In the book of revelations its speaks of Jesus coming back to kill 4/5s of the Earth's population with his four horses of apocalypse the two I know of being Famine and War. I used to think people were dumb for suspecting these to be the end of times because people have always believed that the world was going to end tomorrow, but this time it is of our own doing. A self full-filled prophecy, but one we have the power to prevent. This is why I brought this topic up here on the theosophical community because I wanted to spread the word, but nobody wants to listen. I feel like Moshe The Beadle from the book Night or Fox Mulder from the X-Files talking about this stuff so I brought it up here because I figured if anyone will be open minded enough to give me a chance it'll be theosophists. I mean come on, we believe that humanity was originally all hermaphroditic. I'm not saying that's dumb I'm just saying it goes against what most people would ever consider possible.

I think you should watch the video and that you'd get a lot out of it. It's on my page if you decide to. If you do I think we'd be able to have a better conversation on this. We've had a good one so far I think and I want to say thanks for having it with me in the first place and hope to continue it for a while because I still have a lot to say on these matters and a lot to learn too.

It's interesting you brought up parallel Illuminatis. I too suspect that there are different factions within the organization itself and sometimes they get into feuds with each other. I read that they still even fight with swords when challenging some one for power so this is totally plausible.

I've heard a little bit about the masters guiding humanity in the right direction, but I don't know much about it. That's definitely something I'll look into. But either way you gotta be your own saviour right? I half jokingly say to some of my friends when talking about theosophy,"Be your own Jesus."

Till next time, Lenny

[Lenny]

I started writing my first response before you updated so I'll write a brief response to what you added because these scary thoughts have entered my head too already. Although the theosophical community shares some of the symbols of other groups it doesn't mean it's evil too. The Nazi Swastika is also an Indian Symbol for peace. Like you said there are two sides to every coin and where there is a light side there is a dark side and where occult teachings can benefit the eternal soul they can be used for evil purposes i.e. black magic.
So because the teachings of theosophy are good then how can it be a ploy of evil?

I see Christianity as being the biggest stunt of reverse psychology performed on humanity. Christianity is the main cause of the lack of faith in people today because of the injustices performed in the name of God and the lack of reason and logic Christians have to resort to because of their ignorance. I'm not using the term ignorant as an insult just stating a fact. Also if you think about it Christianity has done more in separating humanity from their spiritual selves than uniting us with them. In Christianity there our the esoteric teachings of Jesus given to us without full explanation and misinterpretation. And without much reason the Church oppressed their beliefs unto others and two thousand years later christians are some of the most despised people on the planet and this has helped give rise to materialism and atheism.

So what was twisted were the ancient teachings H.P.B based her work off of and given a new name, Christianity. Theosophy opened our eyes though and so it can't be bad. There might be secretly people in the TS with bad intentions, but the teachings and living them out are what matter.

[Lenny]

"it is possible for every one of the Earth's nearly 7 billion people to enjoy a standard of living now reserved for millionaires--and I don't believe it's an accident that the reality we see around us does not conform to that." Nor do I. And this is why I find it so hard to have much hope because of the control they have of the overall progression of human events. Most major peace embracing figures of our day were assassinated: J.F.K., Dr. King, John Lenon, Abraham Lincoln, etc. I'm not sure who else but I don't think that could do anything but help the New World Order's cause. And yes today there are people working and striving for peace, but if were not getting to the source of the problem we're not doing much at all. Today we think we have a government by and for the people but really it's by and for the corporations. This truth has to be exposed to the masses before any lasting good can prosper in this world.

I read some of Manly Hall's stuff from the link you gave me and he said American Democracy is apart of a Universal plan for good. I do think our country was at one point in the hands of the right people, but since the twentieth century I think now the power lies with those who only wish to conquer us and own us. Now that they've got all the money in the world what's left to control? Actual human life. This is touched in the video too. Most of the stuff in it you just told me you already know, but there are a couple things I think you will learn from it.

Also, for reasons I've sort of touched on and for others I haven't, I believe that this plot for world domination has been in action for at least thousands of years. The bible being a tool to help them achieve this. So yes, I too suspect this goes deeper than any video you can watch online. After seeing and learning so much I have made many of my own conclusions.

You asked me what I make of the connections between the T S seal and America's. I don't really know and I can't. I don't think you can place total trust on any one leader or group of leaders. The only people I can trust are those who are at the same level as me. That's why everyone should be a leader and when we become leaders we should help others to become leaders too. That way everyone grows and learns together at the same rate. But even the T S is a pyramid scheme. The higher up you go the less and less people you have who know more and more. Am I right here or wrong? I don't know if its their goal to do exactly as I have said and I am mostly making an assumption here so I'm sorry if I'm wrong.

Anyways my biggest concern is that when WW3 happens the majority of people will still trust their governments and be willing to die for them. I don't see the people feeling otherwise anytime soon. What amazes me is that people agree to war in the first place. Millions of lives our lost because a few individuals have their disputes. We as Americans never had any personal hatred for the Iraqi's, maybe some racists people, but otherwise no and so why should I go over there to fight in the interests of my government when it's not in the interests of the common people. It's such an obvious truth that nobody really thinks about it.

And again I go off into random topics. So I'll stop for now. Oh and don't worry about your posts being long I really enjoy reading them and am glad you share the same enthusiasm in writing them as I do.

Lenny

[Lenny]

They haven't made it official yet, because there not ready, but there almost there. Even when they implement the last steps of their plan the majority of the people will still believe that their government is doing only what it has to to protect them. I also think they had to wait till this modern age to finalize their plans because of what is possible today and wasn't thousands of years ago or even one hundred years ago in terms of warfare and communication. Don't you think the internet would be vital in terms of world domination? They finally have all the power, money, and technology to do it now and all that's left in their way are the masses themselves. If our country falls into another depression or if world war 3 emerges or most likely when both happen, that is when they'll make their final move I believe.

I do believe that Obama is just like George Bush and that he too was handpicked for the presidency. He has already disappointed his voters by keeping on a lot of the same people who worked directly with Bush in his team. One of which was one of the architects of the Bush Doctrine. Also, since they assassinated J.F.K. I bet they made sure never again could an honest politician be elected into the white house. So I do not care what he represents to people if I think he is a fraud. It lies solely upon the shoulders of the people now I think.

[Murray Stentiford]

Hi Lenny

Welcome aboard in the Theosophical Community.

When I read your profile, I really sensed something of the journey you have come; the impact of new world order scenarios, to the clearer space of timeless wisdom such as Theosophy.

I've seen numerous theories and assertions around this and, as Dan says, it's a challenge to discern the layers of truth and illusion - often mixed together! Still, that's part of our learning curve in this school called Earth; to discern the best we can, what is going on.

From a lot of different inputs, as well as introspection, I am clear that there are dark forces, some of them physically embodied and others not. There are also vast arenas of positive forces and beings. One of the darkest forces, is simply the mass of negative human thought that has accumulated around our planet like a vast thundercloud. This, alone, accounts for all sorts of things such as a good person who suddenly commits a violent crime. The global psychic charge or a specific murderous thoughtform discharges itself through the person when they are in resonance with its energy, driving them way beyond their normal behaviour, or even normal angry behaviour. "I don't know why I did it" is a common cry.

But we are talking about more than this, and it is clear that occult principles have been bent to destructive ends by certain individuals and groups down through history. Hitler is said to be one of them.

As for the New World Order, the term is used for a mass of ideas, some of them noble and uplifting, as a brighter future for humanity, but most of them about schemes and suspected schemes of manipulation and domination. It is sad that a term like Illuminati which originally had a noble meaning, has been debased in common usage, to refer to a selfish, power-hungry crew.

Maybe you've seen it already, but others might like to see the summary on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy).

[Note in editing: there's something weird with this link. You may have to manually add (conspiracy) to the URL after clicking on it, to get the fuller article. - MS]

I think I'll pause here and let someone else say something. I, too, haven't found many members of the TS particularly aware of this stuff, but I think it's important to listen out for what's going on, if only to be prepared.

Good on you, in your search. We are all on the road, in different ways.

In light
Murray

[Lenny]

Hey Murray,
Thanks for the welcome.
When the term New World Order has been connected with good it is usually coming out of the mouths of the people in charge I have learned. George Bush Senior gave a speech on the New World Order. J.D. Rockefeller who is a member in the council of foreign relations and apart of the powerful banking family has thanked the media for not shedding any light on their plans of a Global Government also. But having said that wouldn't it make sense that someone up high in the government would have tried telling us about this before? Well...yeah. J.F.K. did in his speech The President and The Press.
Here is a quote from that speech,"We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match."
He was assasinated as we all know, then when his brother tried talking about this he too got shot and then when his other brother tried talking about it too he died in an airplane accident. Yeah because if they shot him too then maybe people would start putting one and two together.
Lenny

[Murray Stentiford]

Hi Lenny

You said "When the term New World Order has been connected with good it is usually coming out of the mouths of the people in charge I have learned. George Bush Senior gave a speech ..."

Which is what you would expect. Those on the dark side will portray what they're going as good. That is how they get people's buy-in. And so the lies continue.

But there are several concepts that "New World Order" has been used to refer to, and not all are bad. Like several terms, it has been hijacked by the dark, in what has become a verbal minefield.

As a positive concept, it is a key part of modern Theosophy: if not always explicitly, then definitely as a corollary of the whole theosophical framework. It is present there as a powerful archetype - a strong attractor, so to speak - gradually drawing all things towards its own realisation, despite all the resistance of selfish, power-hungry beings. In the end, the Light has to prevail, but what can vary is the time for it to do so, which in turn depends on the collective consciousness of humanity; on how many are waking up. The videos and alternative news websites that are springing up are doing a tremendous job in helping this to happen, by exposing the power plays and manipulative schemes that have held sway for so long.

This state - of a new way of being in the world - will be an outcome of the evolutionary shifts in consciousness that Theosophy says are behind us and coming to us, in the vast scenario of cycles within cycles; Rounds, "Races" and subraces. At each stage, the structures of society reflect the aggregate or dominating state of consciousness.

The Third Fundamental Proposition of HPB's "The Secret Doctrine" tells of the necessity for self-devised effort by each soul on its upward way on the Path of Return. (I have paraphrased it.) And a part of this is the individual and collective emergence from the experience of separateness into the rediscovery of unity. We are talking big time scales, here; psychological time, perhaps, rather than physical time.

The growing experience of Unity or Oneness culminates in what has been called Cosmic Consciousness, which surprisingly many people get glimpses of (See Richard Bucke's book of the same name, and "The Common Experience" by Cohen and Phipps, for big collections of first-hand accounts of them.) Further along the spiritual path, consciousness breaks through and becomes centred in a permanent awareness of Oneness, Love and Power. Note that "power" here is not in the way the negative NWO types would like to have it! Rather, it is the sense of being immersed in the cosmic field of energy and seeing vastly beyond one's small self. It's experiencing identity with the Whole.

Many people with a Near Death Experience have similar experiences, and come back transformed; their fear of death dissolved; their whole life track changed for the good.

This may seem to have drifted away from the original questions of "the" New World Order, but to me this is the centre of the positive archetype underlying new world order concepts. The others that we hear of most, are the distortions and lies that play on the strength of the archetype, to try and sustain their own miserable purposes.

But this stuff has had its day - for thousands of years, for sure - and now, in these transformational times, the tides of energy and consciousness are lifting it into the light of public scrutiny, there to provoke transformation and change. It will not be without a battle, of course, as you have said, and the outcome will depend on humanity's efforts and awakening. It looks messy and overwhelming for now. It's messy when a boil pops and the scab falls off, but it does allow cleansing and healing to follow.

There's much more I could say, but perhaps in another message.

With warmth and light
Murray

[Anton Rozman]

Hi Lenny,

It is really nice to enjoy company of such young man interested in theosophy and in what is going on in the world around us. So, I will try to add my 2 cents.

The problem with the New World Order is that there is nothing new there but just more of the same we experienced in the past. And what did we experience in the past? Well, the problem is that what we were presented in our schools around the world to be our history was actually a book of fairy tales with good and bad guys and girls fighting each other. But thanks to the internet we are now able to access some sources which try to present our “true” history and which were not covered by mainstream media in the past - we just have to make some effort to separate the husk from the grain. Societies are namely driven by interests and as to the New World Order I would therefore suggest two interesting videos:

1932, A True History of the United States
and
Statism is Dead

I hope you will find them interesting.

Welcome again and warmest regards,
Anton

[Lenny]

Hi Anton,

Thanks for the welcome. I am pretty glad I made an account here now. I didn't expect replies let alone thought out ones because of my age and the attitude we as a society have towards people believing in anything beginning with c o n spiracy theory.

I have found what you are saying to be exactly true. As you said societies are driven by interests and those are formed upon what you know and learn. We're raised on garbage these days so I feel very lucky to have discovered theosophy and am thankful I did.

Thank you for your suggestions, but I feel I've seen enough of the what the New World Order has done and what it plans to do. I am of course open to conversations on the matter as well as counter arguments too because through questioning leads understanding and a better sense of the truth and I could always be wrong. I don't think I am though. Nobody has yet to try to intelligently converse with me on this matter unless they to believe at least most of what I do. The responses from you all are a nice change.

The video I watched was on a broader scale than I could ever imagine and was very convincing with many facts. Almost everyone I showed the video to is now a, I hate to use the term, a "believer". However there is definitely a correlation between age and acceptance that I saw. The older being less accepting, but I do not attribute that to gullibleness on the younger audience's part, but more of an issue of being worked into the system sort of speak which sounds crazy probably. If you see the video you'll know what I mean. So I definitely recommend it and if I knew you I'd ask you to watch it.

So thank you again for the welcome. I look forward to staying happily involved in this community.
Lenny

[Lenny]

Hi Sue,
I'm glad your interested in what I have to say and will keep sharing as long as it's welcomed. Open mindedness can be a hard thing to come across these days I've seen. I am definitely in the right place.
Lenny

[Anton Rozman]

Hi Lenny,

I am of course open to conversations on the matter as well as counter arguments too because through questioning leads understanding and a better sense of the truth and I could always be wrong.

You rightly say that questioning leads towards greater understanding and bigger picture of the reality of things and the truth behind it. So, it is not a matter of being right or wrong but just a matter of each individual current range of perception of the reality of things based on acquired and elaborated information.

The video I watched was on a broader scale than I could ever imagine and was very convincing with many facts.

The video is a compilation from various sources which are available on the net already for some time. There is certainly much striking and credible information there but there is, in my view, also something important missing and that is the presence of mighty interests and power of organized religion and science - not a word about Vatican and so on. Why? I don’t know the straight answer but could it not be that this information is also directed to some end? Namely, the most dangerous effect of this type of information is, in my view, the sense of fear and fatalism with no sight of positive perspective and solution. Sounds familiar - Apocalyptic prophecies with the urge for some sort of Savior behind the curtains?

The Filia Vocis - the daughter of the divine voice - responded from the mercy-seat within the veil, and science, theology, every human hypothesis and conception born of imperfect knowledge, lost forever their authoritative character in our sight. The one-living God had spoken through his oracle - man, and we were satisfied. Such knowledge is priceless; and it has been hidden only from those who overlooked it, derided it, or denied its existence. (H.P.B., Isis Unveiled, Preface)

In that way H.P.B. defined the problem - ignorance pervading materialist and dogmatic science and religion - and that man himself has to achieve his freedom through knowledge. Therefore I am more that convinced that most dangerous facts at the moment for the established religions and sciences are those connected with the presence of different other civilizations interacting with ours through the history and the real nature of the shift of global consciousness as the consequence of the approaching cyclic turning point in the cosmic order of things.

Here is link to the web site Camelot Project containing interviews with highly reliable insiders involved in various projects regarding alien civilizations’ encounters and technology, some other black projects and with some of those pertaining to Illuminati; and here another one, Exopolitics, which deals with the scientific approach towards the presence of alien civilizations.

With previous suggested videos I was aiming to point out that the current political-economical reality is result of longstanding deliberate attempts to avoid and disrupt the existing lawful politico-economical systems from certain power groups on the one hand and the inadequacy of these politico-economical systems which allows such abuse of power on the other.

For me, the most important question is, how to overcome current situation with as less loss and as much gain as possible for humanity in general. As I see, to meet this goal two key elements has to be present: firstly, that we move within the existing political-economical systems and demand their strict application (otherwise we are in chaos and civil war); and secondly, to innovatively create, at the same time, new politico-economical systems (with active participation of those awakened for this need). These key elements procure also save way out for members of power groups who were acting in good faith as this is essential so that they will cease to attempt to blow this world up.

Warmest regards,
Anton