Science and numbers

[Nabil Naser]

We can't deny numbers
But, what do they mean?

We understand the number 1 because we believe in our being.
We know 2 because we all have two parents; a male and a female.
Am I the number 3? made of 1 and 2.

Why is Carbon the base of organic life on earth?
Is it because of its 666
The 6 protons, 6 Neutrons, and 6 Electrons that make its most stable state?

Why do Electrons and Protons have equal and opposite charges?
How is it possible for a particle to have a third of a charge?

Finally, how is all this connected to theosophy?

[Arthur E Gregory]

Nabil,

From your other posts I gatehr your interest in numbers, geometry, etc. and you ask how is all this connected to theosophy..

My own response is that it is quite a lot that is numbers and so on relate a lot to theosophy.. Going back to Pythagoras and ancient Egypt.. Pythagoras you probbaly know required a knowledge of numbers and geometrt to enter his school.

Here are a few books that relate I think to this:

How the World is Made

http://www.innertraditions.com/component/content/article/13-feature...

The Temple in Man

http://store.innertraditions.com/Product.jmdx?action=displayDetail&...

[Arthur E Gregory]

I thought some sites should be referred to on the subject of sacred geometry...

http://academysacredgeometry.com/index.php?navaction=DoTemplate&...

http://www.isibrno.cz/~gott/mandalas.htm

http://www.lind.com/quantum/sacred_geometry.htm

I'm not posting them as a promotion here but they are representative of what theosophists have also been interested in for a hundred years or so ...

I visited some places I would consider to be examples of sacred geometry and some of the Mayan cities in the Yucatan I think are good examples... such as Uxaml and Chichen Itsa.

[Nabil Naser]

Love is also made of numbers Martin

One loves another, it takes two.

In Fact, love, in all its forms, is based on numbers.
We don't have to give numbers credit. We can take them for granted, and we do.

[Arthur E Gregory]

Martin,

You might like this quote:

Love is the one law which causeth and controlleth order among the existing atoms!

Love is the universal magnetic power between the planets and stars shining in the lofty firmament!

Love is the cause of unfoldment to a searching mind, of the secrets deposited in the universe by the Infinite!

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Tablets of Abdu'l-Baha v3, p. 525-526

[Jeff Zolkes]

LOL

[Jack Donaldson]

Wow! another interpretation to 666; number of protons, neutrons, and electrons in a carbon atom! I appreciate your contributions to the forum, Nabil.

You ask; Why do Electrons and Protons have equal and opposite charges?
This is so far out of my pay grade, I can't stop myself. I must take the leap. Perhaps we compare a Proton to our Sun, and then we would compare the electrons to planets. It would then follow that Newton's First Law of Motion is in effect.

then you ask; How is it possible for a particle to have a third of a charge?
Now I'm very far out of my field, are they hadrons? such as quarks? mesons, muons, etc., are not intrinsic within my understanding. I think there are six types of quarks, and three constitute an atom. The latter is manifestation. Quarks seem to be a point within the schematic of gluons. The latter is nuclear strong force, and I wonder if it is gamma radiation, which I imagine a comparison to a string which has a bead at the end of it. I am really stretching it now, as I continue with an illustration of three different gamma strings coming together making three points. the atom. Manifestation.

[Nabil Naser]

Don't sell yourself short, Jack, You do understand.

These are your words.
"are they hadrons? such as quarks? mesons, muons, etc., are not intrinsic within my understanding. I think there are six types of quarks, and three constitute an atom. The latter is manifestation. Quarks seem to be a point within the schematic of gluons. The latter is nuclear strong force, and I wonder if it is gamma radiation, which I imagine a comparison to a string which has a bead at the end of it. I am really stretching it now, as I continue with an illustration of three different gamma strings coming together making three points. the atom.
Manifestation."

You know what is going on, even if you don't understand it. This is important, because most people of the world are ignorant of basic facts. Facts that have been proven, over and over again.

Yes I am talking about Mesons, Quarks, Hadrons, and the creations of atoms from three quarks. A Proton is made of 2 UP Quarks and 1 DOWN Quark. The UP Quark has a charge of +2/3 of a Proton charge
The DOWN Quark has a charge of -1/3, or a 3rd of an Electron charge.
The UP and DOWN Quarks have anti particles that have the exact opposite charge.

P "Proton" = +1 = (+2/3) +(2/3)+(-1/3) = Up +UP + Down
N "Neutron" = n "neutrality = (+2/3)+(-1/3)+(-1/3) = Up + Down + Down

Before a Proton, Electron, or Neutron are created, other particles of energy must first come into being. They do not appear long, and it is almost impossible for us to measure some of them.

But once an electron is created, it becomes eternal. It may move around and hook up with other particles. It may even have different energies, but it will always have a simple negative charge.
The same is almost true of Protons. The jury is still out on whether the Proton's life may be longer than that of the universe, but not necessarily infinite in nature like the Electron.
The Neutron Changes into a Proton in 918 seconds.
This number is very interesting to me. So is the the mass of the Proton.
By doing so it emits particles. Can you guess which one?

[Jack Donaldson]

918 reduces to 9. Mass of the Proton is 1. The Neutron emits an Electron, becoming a Proton. I get a little lost if I attempt to go further with this. I'm limited to the understanding that a Neutron exists due to the occurrence of chemical bondings. Example; if four hydrgen atoms formed a helium atom, it occurs to me that two protons become neutrons, while two remain protons. This is due to the expression of this creation, in the form of two electrons being emitted, yet, somehow the neutrons become protons again by emitting electrons?

You speak in riddles old man. hehehe

[Nabil Naser]

Sure, 918 reduces to 9 * 102
or 18 * 51 or 17 * 54 or 27 * 34

But that is beyond the point here. A proton mass is not 1. It is 1836 times the mass of the electron. This seems like a crazy coincidence, don't you agree?
Why is the NUMBER that describes the MASS of the Proton exactly twice the number of the half-life in SECONDS of the Neutron?
Do you see why such coincidences are way off, on the probability scale?

[Jack Donaldson]

Its 1838, but close enough for me, your point is interesting. It's late where I'm at, but I still had a thought occur to me; you made a space/time observation. I mean sure, you have energy, mass, space, but since energy and mass or matter, are agreed upon as being the same, you pointed out a space/time observation.

Mahamaya possesses measurable things and we measure, and compare. Reductionism simply brings us to probability. Sometimes I wonder if knowledge possessed, is beyond state of being, that it might simply create knots and entanglement. But I like to look upon it as something stored at least, possibly useful at a later time. There is also the possibility someone reading stuff like this knows how to fit it into something wholesome.

[Nabil Naser]

Thanks for the correction Jack. Even while I was writing the number 1836, I knew that there was something wrong with it. I went ahead and posted it any way.
A major question remains however; why does it take the Neutron 918 seconds to become a Proton and in the process give up and Electron and a Neutrino. What happens during those 918 seconds.
We also have to consider the Neutrinos? What exactly are they? Are there really 3 different types, or do they change from one type to another?

I must say Jack, that it is wonderful to find someone like you to discuss such issues with

[Jack Donaldson]

I found it easy to dismiss the discrepency between 1836 and 1838, because it is more interesting to delve into the 918 second, half-life of the neutron (its life-span as neutron, before it evolves into a proton which possesses its own electron). There are likely reasons undiscovered, why we don't find exactness between the 918, and 1838.

Nabil, you said; why does it take the Neutron 918 seconds to become a Proton and in the process give up and Electron and a Neutrino. What happens during those 918 seconds.
Well, it reminds me of the Chrysalis, and the dissolved liquid within, which was the Catepillar. There is no DNA whatsoever, in this brew. Yet, it eventually results in the Butterfly. I can only push a field theory into the possible answer. The Catepillar possess within its vibratory field spectrum, all the needed information to create the Butterfly. The Neutron is copying the field of the Hydrogen Proton, our Mulaprakriti? I'm not sure now, because this then would confuse me, as I think the LOGOS emanates the Hydrogen Proton, but wait, the latter explains LOGOS, or am I confusing the HEAT with the FIRE. FATHER and MOTHER. I only know much conjecture and discussion upon an Unknowable SOURCE, and there IS... IS.

The Zero and the Nine make 10, some might even refer to this as the Strong Grip of the Lion's Paw. Or maybe it is the One and the Nine. No, Nine is a part of the One. The latter is the first departure from the Zero. The middle often angers the gods because of attractions it binds his attention to, but no worries, the middle usually releases these bonds in preference toward, Perfections ever allusive Acme.

Sorry, I went on and on again.