INNER AND OUTER

[Jack Donaldson]

I have a science question as it applies to Theosophical study. In solenoidal magnetic fields, are the magnetic lines of force innermost in the core also the further or outermost magnetic lines of force?

I ask because I am often presented with this as I progress through the chapters in a couple of volumes I have been studying: Reaching the innermost region within the individual is equivalent to reaching the furthermost regions inhabited by more highly evolved entities.

This also might explain the statement of seeing a thing as it is.

I wonder if other analogies exist besides the magnetic field corrollary?

[michaelcarlo]

No, the field is only concentrated at it's core usually with the help of a metal sleeve. Stars and Planets do likewise because the heavy metals sink, forming their cores. The field will radiate outward juxtaposed and in ratio to the winding configuration, amperage and volts, at it's outermost perimeter, stepped down transformer like.

[Konstantin Zaitzev]

Moreover, I think that authors who use terms "inner" and "outer", especially in relation to human beings or other planes, rather mislead than explain.
The border which divides inner from outer is maya which we have to transcend. Also an axis of the fourth dimension goes in direction opposite to one which we could expect, and seems to our 3-dimensional consciousness as "depth", going to somewhere "inside". So the unscientific researchers of the astral plane tend to treat it as the "inner plane".

[michaelcarlo]

Similarly, as the governing Loka and it's corresponding Tala, totally envelope said consciousness at that Plane, the remaining 6 sub-planes embedded within it's Domain act as laya centers or points of egress and ingress.

[Jack Donaldson]

Reply by michaelcarlo 13 hours ago
No, the field is only concentrated at it's core usually with the help of a metal sleeve. Stars and Planets do likewise because the heavy metals sink, forming their cores. The field will radiate outward juxtaposed and in ratio to the winding configuration, amperage and volts, at it's outermost perimeter, stepped down transformer like.

So the tesla quality at the core is greatly diminished by the time it is a field encompassing Earth? I wonder if layers exist within this field around the Earth, as in a variety of EM shells?

Reply by Konstantin Zaitzev 12 hours ago
Moreover, I think that authors who use terms "inner" and "outer", especially in relation to human beings or other planes, rather mislead than explain.
The border which divides inner from outer is maya which we have to transcend. Also an axis of the fourth dimension goes in direction opposite to one which we could expect, and seems to our 3-dimensional consciousness as "depth", going to somewhere "inside". So the unscientific researchers of the astral plane tend to treat it as the "inner plane".

Your explanation is harder to comprehend, Konstantin. However, I think G. de Purucker mentioned chakra's in a way which sort of agree's with your above comment. He didn't say they were spheres so much as they were more along the lines of threads connected to ourselves. Perhaps it is purturbations at the point these threads connect to us, causing them to be referred to as 'knots'. I have no doubt I possess knots, and concerning higher dimensions, I wonder if a principle stating, 'physical density is inversely proportional to ascending dimensions', has any value?

Reply by michaelcarlo 3 hours ago
Similarly, as the governing Loka and it's corresponding Tala, totally envelope said consciousness at that Plane, the remaining 6 sub-planes embedded within it's Domain act as laya centers or points of egress and ingress.

I can't go very much further with your comment, michaelcarlo. I've read that we are within the middle of the Fourth Round, and this makes the fourth loka and tala very relavent to us. I have been trying to comprehend laya centers, zero points, and the like for some time. Perhaps a laya center is pertinent to maya and our ability to see beyond it on occasion, even if we are not done learning everything there is to learn within it. Counting our loka tala as one, and going to the fourth, I've read that it has an exoteric name, which is not its esoteric name.

[michaelcarlo]

The "knots" you speak of are the laya centers . Each vibrates in unison with, and is the "Door way" to their particular Loka Tala. Martin referred to them as "ring pass nots" for our protection. In that capacity they shield or veil us from the other dimensional planes. The Initiate, by an act of the Will, unlocks these doorways as he ingresses each "ring pass not". Tis true we're 4th Globe, 4th Round and that particular, Loka, Tala has influence, but we're also 5th Race and the entire Earth Scheme is situated on the 1st Cosmic Plane. Wheels within wheels within wheels.

[Jack Donaldson]

I'm pondering upon the definition of reflection, being something more than that of the image upon a mirror, when I think of the Loka Tala upon the fourth plane. I think the fourth plane has upon it a very large reflection of what is a very small but incomprehensibly intense force. The fifth plane possesses what causes within many of us a conceptual antagonism, in the form of equating evil -a term we really don't understand adequately- toward one of the polarities of the fifth plane. Many are so afraid of being described as evil, that it seems stern action requires validity through religious dogma on one hand, and attempting to pick a needle out of a haystack to insure precisely targeted justice on the other hand. While pacifists violently protest violence. This is how I see this fifth Root-Race understanding the fifth plane. I have to call them the way I see 'em. In our contemplations and discussions we go all the way up to Nirvana and Paranirvana when we don't even grasp the fourth and fifth planes. I guess evolution is an individual activity, with momentum and vector as numerous and varied equal in number to the humanity on this Globe. Don't mind me, I sometimes tend to get in my own way and trip over myself.

[Jack Donaldson]

In the above, I was actually utilizing Geburrah and Chesed to describe the fifth plane. It's easier for me to use the Sephira, although I am not completely lacking in knowledge of Loka's and Tala's. The latter seem to point out spiritual focus as opposed to material focus. What I like about the Sephira is mention made concerning the mixture of severity with mercy. Balancing the latter cures the problem of people who have equated severity to evil. They inhibit severity and focus on mercy, but no person can successfully repress severity, and so, when it arises, it is much too extreme and inappropriate.

[Nabil Naser]

Hi Jack

The innermost force is no different than the outermost. It is the structure of energy acting within specific geometric space that causes them to appear different.
Think of a sphere of gas like the sun. The force of gravity causes the inner regions to interact more actively with their atoms in closer proximity. The flow of energy, which is basically the way the atoms interact with each other, creates what appears as inner forces with tighter wave structures.
The gas on the outskirts of the star is mostly the same hydrogen that is inside. The pressure at the core generates new particles as the hydrogen atoms coalesce and attract or lose electrons and protons.

The magnetic force is the same everywhere, much like gravity, the two are actually connected and somehow regenerate each other. It is space itself that contains the potential. It is what people call God, The One, or even nothingness.

The evolution is not from the inner to the outer, nor the other way around.
Well, that's my view on the subject at least. I am sorry that I have not read, or remember the many terms that you share. I hope that this would be adequate, however.

[Jack Donaldson]

Nabil Naser wrote; "The magnetic force is the same everywhere, much like gravity, the two are actually connected and somehow regenerate each other. It is space itself that contains the potential. It is what people call God, The One, or even nothingness."

Thanks Nabil, I've read that even the First Logos can only behold Parabrahman through a veil. I hope I'm remembering correctly, and the veil is Cosmic Substance. Fraunhofer went further with a discovery made by Wollaston concerning dark lines within the color spectrum. Thus we have fraunhofer lines. They represent color which is not included with emitted color, and aid in comparing stars. The dark lines are situated within the color spectrum, and thus tell us what a star consists of. Sir Shah Sulaiman had interesting input on the amount of shift in the fraunhofer lines, and deflection of star light as it passes close to the Sun. At this point, I'm only parroting what I have read rather than writing upon what I understand. I throw away a computer when it is obsolete, or broken, and this makes me wonder what happens to lower mind.