FREE WILL

[Jack Donaldson]

A lot of people discuss free will. Some say we don't possess it for we are under many laws, i.e., we are wheels within wheels. Then there are those who argue that they do indeed possess free will. I think it is supported by the assertion that they make choices.

At the moment, I wearily come to the position that we do indeed possess loads of free will. We receive thoughts, images, and give them harbor. Then they may be like a seed which grows a line, we continue giving harbor, this line bifurcates or branches off into two lines, we continue giving harbor, the two lines branch off into four lines, verb sap means I don't need to go on with the illustration. In short, from only one thought or image received, I might now possess so many branches or lianas to swing from, one to another, that these branches or lianas should be transformed into a description along the lines of an electron cloud.

I suppose critical thinking, and structured study, especially of Theosophy, makes one a dauntless study, rather than an anxious traveler from one branch to another. Hold on just one moment, while I grasp the next liana. You see what I just did? I chose to release the liana I was swinging upon to swing upon the next liana. Free will. I chose to agree free will exists through choice.

In summation, I would like to know Inspired Will. Effort and endless energy still requires a guide, a Teacher. I don't like the suggestion that I am only mind of desire. I choose to interpret this based upon the knowledge that mind is a wide ranging spectrum, and this description also fits concerning desire. Theosophy asserts I am a Monkey brain with base animal desires. Why? Suggesting this is a starting point, a base for departure?

[Jack Donaldson]

I'm a bump on the turd of an ASS.

[Jack Donaldson]

What about Chris Angel or Angle? What do you have on him?

[Nabil Naser]

Hi Jack

Good Subject with a pretty tough attitude. I like that.

The followings are your words

"In summation, I would like to know Inspired Will. Effort and endless energy still requires a guide, a Teacher. I don't like the suggestion that I am only mind of desire. I choose to interpret this based upon the knowledge that mind is a wide ranging spectrum, and this description also fits concerning desire. Theosophy asserts I am a Monkey brain with base animal desires. Why? Suggesting this is a starting point, a base for departure?"

First, let us talk about inspired will without desire. Is it possible? Aren't you desiring to know inspired free will? Then lets consider the teacher that you are looking for. Can he know you more than you know yourself?
Why don't you like the suggestion that you may be a creature of desire? Is it because the word has some negative and perhaps naughty possibilities?
"The mind is a wide ranging spectrum." Perhaps like a great fruit tree, that you can climb at will, and swing from one branch to another. Eat when you wish, rest when you feel like it "or when you have too". Trees can be close enough that you can jump from one to another. I literally did it and ended up with only few scratches here and there.
You can also climb down from the tree, and perhaps climb another. You do so by free will and Desire.
You learn in the process. You may eventually choose to live on the ground, and climb a tree only when you desire and choose by free will, to do so.

[Jack Donaldson]

Hi Nabil, I said base animal desires. I also said the mind is wide ranging, as I also said desire is wide ranging. If you are familiar with the septenary aggragate applied to the human; physical body (stula sarira), Astral body (linga sarira), vital life force (prana), desire (kama), mind (manas), soul (buddhi), spirit (Atma). You might wonder why two of these designations listed; prana, and kama, are put into the septenary aggragative human this way. This is not correct. Do you know how it is not correct?

[michaelcarlo]

Prana and stula sarira can't exist without each other.

[Jack Donaldson]

NO, theees eees eeencorrect. Try again.

[michaelcarlo]

Kama is desire, thus astral- lower mind is mental body-higher mind ,causal body- pranic is etheric linked to physical through the Earth. Astral through the Solar System- mental the 12 creative hierarchy's

[Jack Donaldson]

Kama and Pranas are both major components, of the remaining five aggrative components of the human. It's discussed in a different light when compared to the Rays which are septenary man. For instance, if I choose to focus attention only to manas, it is accurate to say manas is septnenary atma, buddhi, manas, kama, pranas, astral, physical. Manas is dominant. Same with stula sarira being atma, buddhi, manas, kama, pranas, astral, physical. Physical or stula sarira is simply dominant. Upon death, pranas of the latter finds appropriate pranic reservoirs, usually animals. It is said, that at some point, the latter is no longer so, the pranas from the deseased stula sarira is drawn to living human bodies, until its Monad returns. We breath in each other all the time, I've likely breathed in some atom or molecule that you exhaled at one time, or another. I think Pranas is another state of the Monad, and Pranas being emanated as a Ray forms bodies, by collecting in particular centers on its way toward manifesting the stula sarira. At what point is Kamas alive? Kamas is likely alive and well within the Monad, and also distributes itself by remaining at the line of centers on the way to the stula sarira. So, by the time it gets to me, it is only what is apprpriate to this Globe, and is why I say, "UG, Oop, get meat, cook with fire, meat good. Oop draw fine mastadon on cave wall. Ug makes fire quickly with magic stone. My spear find place that kills quickly.

[michaelcarlo]

The locality or Loka is sub-divided not the Talas or princple. Mental matter only exists as Mental matter the same with astral and etheric. Our physical and etheric bodies belong to the Earth. She covers us with Her Veil, at this 1st Cosmic sub-plane.When we pass, our physical and etheric bodies return to the reservoirs of the Planet. A permanent Atom from each of the Lower Worlds remains with the Ego at the Causal Plane, upon reincarnation each vibrates attracting to itself the skandas left behind in the previous incarnation.

[Jack Donaldson]

michaelcarlo:
The locality or Loka is sub-divided not the Talas or princple. Mental matter only exists as Mental matter the same with astral and etheric. Our physical and etheric bodies belong to the Earth. She covers us with Her Veil, at this 1st Cosmic sub-plane.When we pass, our physical and etheric bodies return to the reservoirs of the Planet. A permanent Atom from each of the Lower Worlds remains with the Ego at the Causal Plane, upon reincarnation each vibrates attracting to itself the skandas left behind in the previous incarnation.
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When you say tala, is it your intention to submit a tala is exclusively substance? and from there, we must assume a Loka is exclusively force? Also, the word ethereal is never precise in meaning for my part, because I will never accept force is an absolute when it comes to substance. The former is never completely severed from the other, and vice versa. The word ethereal and tenuity, are more along the lines of generalities rather than particulars. We have infinite octaves below us and above us, and when discussing substances and forces alongside this assertion, the two as a mix, which they will be eternally, becomes a very advanced subject within Theosophy. This is why the Sanskrit is so much better as a language for Theosophy, I wish I would devote the time and energy to study it thoroughly. We are stuck with density, tenuity and ethereal, substantial. Or something like that, we have those four adjectives.

You agree that Pranas is the Monad, but as emanation, and Kamas does exist even in the exalted position of the Monad? I think H P Blavatsky explained it thus, she added that at the first expressed life of the newborn infant, pranas is now jiva.

[michaelcarlo]

The Monad exists beyond it's vehicles. Prana is the"psycho-electrical field" the Monad uses to build it's vehicles via emanation,stimulation. The seven rupa Worlds are scaled up in degree by the two extreme limits, highest to lowest, establishing the parameters of each Loka ,Tala.

[Janeth]

Re: Reply by Jack Donaldson on October 19, 2009 at 10:31pm--
►"..Also, the word ethereal is never precise in meaning for my part, because I will never accept force is an absolute when it comes to substance..."<---Jack, will it be sound to consider the following analogy?

"force" is to life (life as we know it on the physical plane)
as
"subastance" is to physical body?