Aborted children in the Astral Realm

[adonis777]

Hello everybody....

I am currently doing research on abortion and its various implications. I`ve studied most of the material available on the internet...all of it relating to the spirit of the child and its fate after abortion.

Basically this discussion is to gather data from people on their accounts or knowledge of said topic....in regards to the spirit of the child after the abortion,

My main question is this....

what happens to the spirit of the child after abortion in the astral realm?

where does it go?

How is its situation remedied by the spiritual hierarchy?

Anything that you may know or have read will be of great interest for my research,

I thank you greatly in advance for any serious comment you may have based on actual experience, firtshand accounts that you may know of or other writings available on this matter,

all of it will be of great benefit for my research,

thank you kindly.

[Janeth]

I prefer to view it that way, too, William!!

[Janeth]

>"exceptions"---I would say "exceptions" is a word used to help us understand certain things...Other words used to explain other things are, for example, "luck", when in reality there is no such thing as luck-☺ Whatever we have/get we have earned...

[adonis777]

For the record.

According to buddha,

abortion falls under the category of killing another human being,

All traditional Buddhist sources agree that abortion is a breach of the precept leading to the gravest karmic consequences when broken,

and that a monk who in any way involves himself with it on any stage is expulsed from the monastic sangha,

never to be allowed in again in his present lifetime (Vin.I.97). -Quote.

[Janeth]

>"abortion falls under the category of killing another human being,"---Absolutely!!

Thanks a lot for this interesting and most educational 'Forum', adonis777!!☺ Will be sending my TC-friends list a note about it, just in case they are not aware of it. I'll also leave an invitation for Joy Mills to participate on this never ending important topic; I am confident her contribution on this would also be interesting. Thanks again!!☺

[Janeth]

Following up on my comment above, I contacted my TC-friends and received the following information from Odin Townley,

The subject of abortion is fully explained by HPB in her letter: "Is Foeticide A Crime?":

http://theosophytrust.org/tlodocs/hpb/IsFoeticideACrime.htm

[William Vollrath]

Thank you for this interesting letter. It suggests that the point of self-consciousness is when the spirtual path of karma becomes a reality. Nothing is directly said about the soul of a fetus being exempt from the astral plane or any other of the post-death pathways, and I don't believe that self-consciousness is necessarilly lacking in a fetus more than a new born, so I remain uncomfortable with talk of exceptions, resets, etc. for aborted fetuses, suicides or any other specific category of being.

[Janeth]

>"I don't believe that self-consciousness is necessarilly lacking in a fetus more than a new born"---Wisely put, William!!☺

[Janeth]

Thank you for acknowledging the letter, William. I am passing your kind comment to Odin!!☺

[Roger Earl Pirkle]

See also http://www.blavatsky.net/features/newsletters/2005/abortion.htm

1. Abortion is "murder", "plain murder", and "a crime".

2. Abortion is "a violation of the laws of nature." It prevents the fulfillment of karma and the process of evolution.

3. The mother shortens her life by aborting the child.

4. The "plain murder" occurs due to an abortion anytime after conception.

5. Any form of stopping the life of the foetus has these occult consequences.

[William Vollrath]

Exactly. A death is a death. "Exceptions" or "resets" are not created in the post-death pathways.

[William Vollrath]

"Reset" suggests a life that was void of any meaning. I still don't accept that possibility. Every life after conception has some content no matter how minimal regardless of whether it was a fetus, suicide, or existed as a near vegetable. I don't believe HPB believed differently or ever suggested souls "reset", but if she did, I disagree. All souls evolve. They may have different durations and experiences in the post-death pathways, but they all move to those pathways. Life is life and death is death. For example, in the gray area of "self-inflicted" death, I do not believe there is a substantive difference between a dead fundamentalist martyr (suicide?) and a dead war hero or an executed criminal and an overdosed drug addict. There aren't exceptions and resets. Life is life. Death is death. A soul is a soul.

[michaelcarlo]

It's a simple solution that I thought we agreed upon. Time in equals time out. The norm for ordinary Humanity is approx. 1000 years in the after lives. If you return within , lets say 5 years because you were terminated before birth, that's the exception, some may think the unborn has to wait 1000 years before "reset" because that's the norm and the latter is the exception.