Aborted children in the Astral Realm

[adonis777]

Hello everybody....

I am currently doing research on abortion and its various implications. I`ve studied most of the material available on the internet...all of it relating to the spirit of the child and its fate after abortion.

Basically this discussion is to gather data from people on their accounts or knowledge of said topic....in regards to the spirit of the child after the abortion,

My main question is this....

what happens to the spirit of the child after abortion in the astral realm?

where does it go?

How is its situation remedied by the spiritual hierarchy?

Anything that you may know or have read will be of great interest for my research,

I thank you greatly in advance for any serious comment you may have based on actual experience, firtshand accounts that you may know of or other writings available on this matter,

all of it will be of great benefit for my research,

thank you kindly.

[William Vollrath]

How is that different than what I said. It isn't unless you can't understand that Higher Self drives the need to reincarnate!

[William Vollrath]

...and after that happens in conception, the resulting body, mind, spirit is not something insignificant that simply "resets" when killed. Please accept the fact we just disagree on this!!

[michaelcarlo]

The difference is "I think this is well said" implying your agreement with Adonis that the mental and astral bodies are developed before the fetus, germinal yes, developed no. If this were true why even have a physical body. The body and soul are insignificant in the greater scheme of things because they're the mayavic projection of the Higher Self. There is no death of anyone except in appearance the change is vibrational.

[William Vollrath]

I think I have expressed my belief fairly clearly that in the fetus, the body, mind and soul all have some degree of development already, and generally must experience much more in the current and future lives. Thus, the death of a fetus is not insignificant, and is not a "reset.". If you believe otherwise, so be it. If not, I don't understand your continued argument.

[Frank McLaughlin]

It depends on whether the soul has yet entered the fetus. Buddhist and Hindus disagree slightly on when and how this happens, but both agree that it never happens until the nervous system (and backbone) are formed. Not before four months. Buddhists generally believe the soul enters later.

[William Vollrath]

Can you quote a specific text that says this? Many, many spiritual individuals believe the "soul" is manifest at conception!

[adonis777]

God created us to infuse the finite with infinite,

we as children of god were given that mandate,

all human births are potential Christic candidates,

now the question about the astral and mental bodies being formed,

basically has to do with karmic debts,

we reincarnate due to karmic debt,

and this karmic debt is what molds our astral and mental bodies,

For example if we are born with genetic defects...those defects come form the astral and then manifest in the physical due to karmic debt,

the only people who came to the physical realm clear of karmic debt were the Adamic race...who by being influenced by the fallen angels began to accrue karmic debt...which we are still paying today,

Rudolf Steiner wrote that the astral body fuses completely with the physical when a child reaches 14 years of age,

before that time the child is innocent of all sin,

basically what we can deduct so far is what i`ve been saying all along,

that any spirit whose physical body is destroyed through abortion will remain in the astral realm until an opportunity arrives for another attempt at physical incarnation to fullfil its karmic debt and then be able to remain in the higher spiritual eternal realms permanently,

the basic problem in abortion is that it is a crime against the spirit (god),

it is a selfish act were people betray their heavenly father ,

but the problem does not end there,

the act of abortion becomes an incredible karmic debt to those involved in it,

we are basically discussing the astral question on the spirit whose incarnation has been denied by a selfish act of betrayal,

the main issue...the most important issue is the karmic consequence of this crime,

of all the crimes commited by humanity none will have greater personal and collective consequences than abortion,

for example any nation who supports and puts into law abortion practices based on subjective reasons will have the full weight of tribulation clamped down upon them (this will soon become a reality ),

for this and for many other reasons anyone involved in a question of abortion should reflect extremely well their thoughts and decisions,

because they will not only suffer the consequences in this life,

but also in the astral realm (the afterlife) where the torment of their karmic debt will be 100 times more intense,

society today has taken the materialist view proposed by a materialist scientific community on the crime of abortion,

the societies of this planet and hence their scientific communities are governed by dark forces,

and those who bet big....will get a big surprise on the other side,

the physical body is ours as a gift from god,

it is not a weapon to be used at our discretion for the killing of innocent life,

but that my dear friends is the nature of kali yuga,

complete and total spiritual darkness,

spirituality is not about selfishness...it`s about community, brotherhood, observance of compassion,

it`s very easy to get caught up in our temporary troubles of subsistence and material gain,

but these troubles are there to teach us how to build spiritual character,

spiritual character can not be obtained in the spiritual realm if it has not been created here first,

we are not judging anyone....

we are warning people of the extreme karmic debt that will be accrued by the crime of abortion,

some will listen and some will not,

but it is our duty to let them know,

that the spirit is the true life,

it is the true world,

and the hour of tribulation is at hand.

[Janeth]

>"all human births are potential Christic candidates,"---Very wisely put, adonis777!!☺ Thanks!!☺

[Janeth]

>"the basic problem in abortion is that it is a crime against the spirit (god),"---I believe this is somewhat tricky...If a fetus is growing outside the uterus (what is commonly known in the medical fiend as “ectopic pregnancy”), there is no way the fetus can become a human being so it has to be removed..., or let the human being carrying it died...What purpose would it serve letting her died?...Is that an abortion? Yes, but the circumstance is an extreme one...Again, Karma takes everything into consideration.

[adonis777]

Thank you janeth for your input,

There are exceptions,

the one you mentioned is one,

but in my own personal opinion i would look at the karmic balance...but that`s my opinion based on spiritual analysis,

but basically we are talking about the general view in society to view abortion as a means of birth control,

millions of babies around the world can not have the same problem,

and killing them as a means ....to in someway avoid future problems based on sensual comforts is like cutting our head off to get rid of a headache.

[Janeth]

>...,"but basically we are talking about the general view in society to view abortion as a means of birth control,"---I can sympathise with your perception, adonis777, still, what do we know of what the particular soul, and those who help her, commiting such an act, is going through? God only knows!! Besides everyone's level/degree of evolvement is different...Some of us, human beings, have focussed on developing our mental body more than the other ones. Some others have focussed on developing the physical body, and so forth...So in short, what I am trying to say is we, human beings, should not judge other human beings!☺ Only one's own Master knows our thoughts, feelings..., circumstances..., only He or Them know...

[Janeth]

>"and killing them as a means ....to in someway avoid future problems based on sensual comforts is like cutting our head off to get rid of a headache."---I believe this is one of the many reasons we, those who have chosen to walk the Right Path, should strive to diligently, conscientiously, joyfully, steady, firmly..., do our best to advance in our own personal spiritual pilgrimage so that we could be of better service to others...The wiser we get to be, the wiser we could help others!☺ One great way of doing this is meditating-finding the proper meditation technique is also very important-Sending good thoughts/loving thoughts to all in general/the Universe and doing our best to clean up our own little corner, so to speak, is, I believe, a wonderful way of helping the world to be a better one!! Once again, thank you so very much for such an interesting 'Forum', adonis777!!☺ Best as always, J.-☺