A different kind of argument

[Nabil Naser]

From the book "The Ra Material"

We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One, thus preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The above is real, isn't it?

[Jack Donaldson]

<<except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One, thus preserving the primal distortion of free will.>>

Do you see a great level of complexity in the above? I will not go further yet, I want to see what you come up with.

[Nabil Naser]

I do see the complexity in Ra's words.

The basic principles they are trying to teach "They call themselves a social memory complex", is the idea that energy that is aware is created at the begining of creation.
I am not sure what kind of awareness Ra talks about, but my guess is that it is a type of energy that can't be contained, and thus is always free. This creates a different reality around this energy whenever it interacts with other energies. The different realities cause the energy to behave differenty. Thus awareness is percieved by the observer, as the energy appears to change and adapts to any other energies it interacts with while keeping its independed freedom within.

[Jack Donaldson]

I've known about the Ra channellings for about a year or two, maybe more, and have only put some focus to it recently, and it is due to years of studying Theosophy for the reason of my interest. I don't mean years as in a great deal of them, but rather the plural is accurate.

What you point out in this thread Nabel, reminds me of the descending Arc when humanity has yet to reach the point of dense physical nature, which separates us from our Spiritual Monad. I haven't reached a complete comprehension of the term genius, and without taking the time to contemplate on it, I suppose I'd describe it as the region between mind and spiritual soul. So humanity being of the state preceding the densely physical or perfection of matter, has a higher probability of attaining an accord and concord with his heart of being. Even so, I would still estimate only a few among humanity as a whole, accomplished this. A man perceiving from his heart of being, will observe a thing as it is, at its heart of being.

What is at the heart of being? a Star, or LOGOS? no matter, either can cooperate with the life within stone to construct a Pyramid. I am only trying to offer my explanation of what this energy might be, when I think I only suggested a perspective pointing toward what might be the source of it.

The perspective toward desire is interesting, but Theosophy seems to give it better explanation as well. If we are to be understood as transceivors of energy known as thoughts, and we receive them, and give them harbor within while giving them color before they go along toward kindred reservoirs of whatever form or pattern that might be, one might choose to ponder upon the notion that some energies are worthy of holding and ennobling, while others seem to merit attention briefly at best, and eventually a shield is erected, or perhaps filter is a good word, I don't like the image of permanent severing, especially when I still have a passel of low and degenerate notions to toy with. It interferes with my covenant to remain conscious at times. It is a strange condition in which I find myself when old patterns of behavior are noted as being dampeners of consciousness. Error is often intriguing.

[Nabil Naser]

Jack

If anything, you are a great writer.

I suppose, in the end, it is a conscious decision.
Time however is an invisible catalyst that connects us to ourselves in the larger sense of reality. No matter how much we play, we always choose to go home eventually. We sleep, we dream, sometimes we dream without sleeping.

To quote Ra, " life within some dimensions, is a dream within a dream"
These dimensions are within us now
We are trying to understand our dreams

[Jack Donaldson]

If it is a specific focus, and it is directed to consciousness, I suspect it is an inexhaustible study. I'm wondering if consciousness highly developed, eventually remains active while sleeping. The dreams I review as I'm rising in the morning mostly receive brief attention, as they are often mundane. On occasion they consist of certain entities and in full color, in fact the color is extremely vivid and pure.

[Nabil Naser]

I am sorry for the late reply

The way I see it is a bit complex when considered from the perspective of life, any life.

Consider an infinite space that is made of spheres that are packed together as tightly as possible. Within this space, one can find an infinite number of shapes and potential geometry. One only has to decide where to measure.
Now, consider the spheres as having the potential to rotate in any direction.
The geometry and the potential rotation create an infinite number of possibilities that are now active.

[Jack Donaldson]

A timely response Nabil, i just finished watching a Carl Sagan video on this site by Frater BC. It shows Hubbel satellite footage of deep space. To me it is a feeling of being a part of something grand.

"Spheres as having the potential to rotate in any direction." Does the tilt of the axis change rotation even when it appears the same rotation when compared against another sphere? The varience of axial tilt of the first, describes a different rotation than the second?

Ra mentioned a possible manner in which he travels. I didn't comprehend it very well. Concerns leaving his lowest upadhi, and the following sequence is where I got lost, he rebounds off light currents to arrive at a destination, then the following reminds me of Dr. Manhatten of the movie, "Watchdogs" when he is able to reconstruct his physical body upon an incident with an intrinsic field subtractor. I think Ra stated the act of simply constructing the appropriate physical body for the planet visited upon. I would think the part I get stuck at, is his travel as a light-being rebounding off light currents ennabling his light body to engage these 'currents' and achieve desired course vector changes. He then achieves his destination.

[Nabil Naser]

That part confuses me as well

The best I can give for an opinion is the principle of vibration, In a different perspective, one can think of the absolute zero.

Information, including light, must go through channels before reaching their destination, being the same as they started.
When one understands these channels and their forces, perhaps one can do better.
I really do not know the answer, I am just guessing

[Nabil Naser]

Regarding your dreams
There are different kinds of dreams. We see beyond the eyes.
Lucid dreams that are usually in color and where you are aware of your state of dreaming, is a unique and wonderful experience.
But we dream always because we are connected to a whole universe of dreams.
Every thought that ever was, is there. That doesn't mean that someone will find it.

[Jack Donaldson]

Yes, I've thought on it and axial tilt has a direct role in rotational spin differences. Engage a rotating sphere, and the direction it would influence first sphere toward, is directly proportional to the orthogonal aspect of the axis. Perpendicular to axis is probably more accurate.

Dream might also be symbolic, hearing the voice of the silence, would identify following a dream as inspired will. It is hearing the small voice, not completely receiving it, but nevertheless enough to inspire will. Swabhava might pertain to my dreaming, I'm directing my evolution. Since I've been a teenager, I've focused upon remembering dreams, and wanting to dream in color. Mostly the latter. Remembering dreams is one aspect of evolving what is latent. The ability to see far, means the ability to see from higher, more ethereal aggragative force centers within.